By: di13@xtra.co.nz
20/11/2009
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haha
'V8 Super Lauaki',
Blues Destroyer yeehhaaa |
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By: renee8@xtra.co.nz
20/11/2009
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paua is dead right, there are similarities between Luauki and Lomu but thats all they are. Lomu was a freakin freak, he had fralities but his talent and ability so far out shadowed his fralities it wasn't even worth commenting on them.
The AB's never worked a game plan as such to fit Lomu other than some back line moves that would bring him in on the burst, and Cullen been aware that he wasn't the quickest at turning. They didn't select players to make up for a lack of ability, skill or concentration from Lomu as some suggest that the AB coaches should do for Luauki.
Like Paua said the differences between wing and loose forward are so different that you may as well be playing a different game.
Lomu in his prime when his kidney wasn't effecting him to much went looking for work, he would get involved on defense and attack, he was a big guy but was always in great shape, and most importantly he would carry the ball 4 or 5 times each half, which was obviously the main thing he brought to the team.
Luauki has got all the natural ability to be a devastating test player, but ability only gets you so far.
I would love him to develop into the player he has the potential to be, its the one type of player that the AB's could do with, but you can't keep giving a player chance after chance, 25 tests is more than enough time.
I think he needs to have a whole S14 and then a whole NPC of playing to his potential and injury free before he should be considered again. |
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By: renee8@xtra.co.nz
20/11/2009
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| yeah your right, Collins was a pretty average 8, Mitchell had him playing a real 1 dimensional game. Jerry and So'ialo swapped around a bit for Welly and the Canes, but it wasn't until GH told jerry that he needed to improve his skill pass and then gave him a crack at 6 and moved So'oialo to 8 that thats where they made their name. |
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By: bit_behind
20/11/2009
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| I think Graham Henry shifted Jerry from #8 to blindside actually, I'm sure that's where mitchell and deans mostly played Collins but I'm not too sure about that. |
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By: nonumaga
20/11/2009
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i don't think luaki started that test either, i sure he came on with about 15 minutes to go after roddny, braid and kaino were getting shoved back all night
he started against scotland with scott waldrum beside him so he's never had a chance to play tests with a mean as combo that backs him up
if messam gonna yap yap at him all game, so be it
whitelok and messam would back him up, so would read and macaw, and who's to say he can't adapt and work on the things hes missing in his game uso?
too much mean az players get let go, this guy shouldnt be allowed to go without being given a chance, if macaw wanted him in his world cup squad, obviusly they were gonna do smoething with lauki and use his strengths, thats why irb are chickens, robbed us of that chance to see, now the selectors are robbing us a chance by not giving him a decent chance of it, ok 25 tests, most if not all, off the bench, they gave jerry collins about 20 tests before they shifted him from number 8 to blindside, then it clicked for jerry, it amazes they can't see the positives and look to utilise that instead, he was mean all super 14, you can have 1 or 2 bad games uso, it's intense every week. |
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By: larksea
20/11/2009
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| yeah that test is the main reason people call lauaki for bad hands, but he was the main target for the aussies and Braid was next to him and completely out of his depth. |
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By: trebor_uhat
20/11/2009
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| -not to bad a question alright, topic material, better not, maybe that's what lauaki needs, a dose of hard work ethic every week to keep his mind on the job, seen it with thom waldrom, they sure know how to get the best out of players down christchurch. |
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By: bit_behind
20/11/2009
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Thats a good question Nonu Umaga
How would Lauaki or Messam go amongst that crusader mob?
I reckon either one of them would do really well,
Tanerau Latimer was excellent for the crusaders when he was down their. |
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By: nonumaga
20/11/2009
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in the super 14 luaki was palming off macaw at will against the crusaders, macaw coming back at him as he should, making roddny look stupid and roddnys one of my favorite players, these are big game players, so luakis strength is his running game, work a plan to it, thinking of jonah
they worked a plan with him to use his running game at the world cup 1995 he was da mantis after he saarrrked when he first came into tests in 1994, he turned into a legend. |
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By: nonumaga
20/11/2009
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8 luaki 7 mccaw 6 read, mccaw wouldnt allow him to tap off plus macaw was instrumental in luaki being chosen for the world cup bro, he even says it himself
that bledisloe game when he dropped the ball about 100 times, he had braid beside him not macaw, it makes a difference when you have a player of macaw calibre next to you,
tell me this, how good would luaki or messam be, if they were put into the crusaders team, honestly. |
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By: larksea
20/11/2009
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I have no doubt Lauaki has untapped potential at international level
One think that worries me as I pointed out is his attitude
I remember one game for the chiefs this year two incidents happened on the field in the same game that really made me wonder.
1, The opposition were attacking hard near the chiefs line. Messam hit a ruck hard trying to get a turnover or at least slow the ball down to prevent a try. It worked but an opposition player (big fricken wallabie actually) came in and hit him fricken hard and it drilled messams head into the ground as bad as any spear taclke I've ever seen. After seeing it live then the replay I honestly thought the next thing I would see was messam stretchered off the field and taken to the hospital.
But he got up slowly, took a moment to gather himself. And you could see him re-focus and he the ran off and re-joined the game and he actually had a bloody good game.
2, In the same game, lauaki during a lineout took a knock to the head. Did not seem too bad and the replay conformed that. But from then on he dropped right down in intensity and looked like a school kid that had just been given a wedgie from the local bully. Wandered around with his head down sucking lemons for a while till Foster pulled him from the game.
Those two events really showed alot, Messam works away week in and week out putting everything on the line and when something does not go his way he just gets up, lifts himself and goes harder.
Lauaki on the other hand, well he's actually quite fragile. You actually need someone like Messam to keep on at him and keep his mind in the game. And it's something coaches need to plan and adjust for. |
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By: nonumaga
20/11/2009
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palu got things luaki need to work on
,test match intensity, focus, concentration for 80 minutes sometimes, no butter hands, body shifter at the breakdown, physical defender, more imposing, reads like a farken horror story for him to work on,
but if he want it, it's their for the taking, he has to work on all those things like palu or farrk off to europe like da rest of them, chur ! |
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By: bit_behind
20/11/2009
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| Glen Osborne, that's a name I haven't heard much of! |
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By: nonumaga
20/11/2009
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jonah played blindside and number 8 in possible/probables trial match years ago uso, useless so day change him to winger,
jonah frailties on defence can be cover by cullen and jeff wilson, or glen osborne
luaki would be covered by mccaw/read
or scott waldrum/thomson, whitelok/messam, find ways, grow some nuts , he's da meanest destructive runner, palu for aussie has only become more destructive because he's been given chances to start games uso |
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By: larksea
20/11/2009
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| cheers guys, your welcome hehe |
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By: kazwihongi
20/11/2009
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Well said jonah11
I really enjoy larkseas postings as well because he pretty much says what's on my mind, by the time I get a chance to type it out, he's already made a better point of a conversation then I can hope for, so well done for pointing that out. |
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By: vvonzie
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as long as we dont take this thing personally and get our spelling correct all good lads..lol
paua: u talk sense..i dont have a calculate opinion about rugby i would have thought its a simple game but u thought other wise... |
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By: the_paua
20/11/2009
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| nonumaga, relax bro... you aint being shot down, people are just giving their own opinion... which is as valid as yours... and it is what a good rugby discussion is about... |
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By: nonumaga
20/11/2009
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chur chur
too much jonah, you da man bada, seem you can't say anything on here without being shot down by the brainy typers, all good uso |
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By: the_paua
20/11/2009
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One of my favourite rugby memories was sitting at Jade Stadium in the 200 NPC final... Me and a few mates had driven down the day before and had got tickets in the South East corner of the stand (this was when they had a stand on one side and the bank on the other)...
We were right in the corner where Jonah scored his try that, in effect, won us the game... It was a magnificent piece of Lomu brilliance, and it was try that ONLY he could have scored...
When Wellington won the NPC final that day, we ran to the barrier by the field and Jonah came over and was high fiving and shaking the hands of the wellington supporters... I got to shake the big man's hand that day... the day he won us the NPC final (the last time we have won it)... Great day and night... |
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By: jonah11_lomu
20/11/2009
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oh and by the way
really enjoy reading your comments and unbiased opinions
LARKSEA, your a champion mate, good on you. |
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By: the_paua
20/11/2009
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jonah11_lomu...
You are right about the similarities... But the BIG difference is one is a winger and the other a loose forward... The defensive requirements of a loose forward are HUGE compared to a winger...
Jonah's frailties on defence could also be covered by his team mates... when teams kicked behind him, Cullen was great at providing back up... cullen was also good at sweeping behind Lomu on defense for the tackle...
It is harder to cover up the defensive frailties of a Loose Forward...
Also as a winger, the running game (ball in hand) is a far greater role, and so the Jonah quality was suited to that role, and you could forgive the defence frailties easier...
Wing 80% attacking 20% defence
Loose forward 20% attacking 80% defence
You may be comparing players who are apples and apples, but in comparing the roles of a winger and loosie, we are talking apples and oranges... |
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By: jonah11_lomu
20/11/2009
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Just the same thing alot of people say about Jonah
Jonah is a legend who has similar charactersitics as lauaki
Lauaki is similar to Jonah, weak defensively, weak at turning, weak at sliding defence, weak at everything
and the list goes on and on,
what they should do is cater a plan to work around these perceived weaknesses and channel a game plan that plays to these big tongan boys strengths, not look for weaknesses in their game.
way to go NONU UMAGA and your a sa by the sounds of it, don't be shy to make your point just because everyone wants to have a go at you, feel free to speak your mind, after all, the guys on here are only couch potato critics as well. |
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By: vvonzie
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thats it zorro!!error rate go against Lauaki.
im surprised he still around!! if he performs consistently
he might just get in next year,the current selectors will pick anyone lol |
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By: zorrothepuma
20/11/2009
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| lauaki is the king of losing the ball, makes a break then hands the ball to the opposition. Makes many defensive errors and cracks under pressure. I really wish he had made a better fist of it when he had his chance, I doubt he will get another one. |
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