By: jesse.king@xtra.co.nz
16/10/2007
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| yep i totally agree with u's, sacking anther good coach ant the answer to winning the cup in 2011. ideally we need to keep all the great players such as mcCaw &carter and ofcourse the team managment, coaches &selectors. It was exetremely unfortunate that we had to cum up agaisnt france in the quarter final, argentina would have been more ideal but france pulled one out of the bag &played out of their skin! I think the answer is to adapt our style of play to likes of the english &the french play theirs, so we would be able to beat them at there own game if you like. |
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By: corubachris
16/10/2007
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| teori_paki: dont think brisbane have ever lost a grand final? but agree with what you mean. you learn shit loads more from a loss than a win. if g henry stayed on we'd be much better off for the next rwc |
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By: teori_paki
15/10/2007
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| 'Has anyone heard of the saying in League "you must loose one to win one"? Did anyone see the Melbourne Storm? Brisbane? Canberra? lOst the final then came back the next year to win it. Maybe we give Henry the chance to redeem himself. Sureley even he cant make the same mistakes twice. |
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By: rogerhall@xtra.co.nz
15/10/2007
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| Henry and the coaching team should stay. They have good experience and a base to build on. As the top management of the RFU have acknowledged that they approved the coaching methods then they should not now use the coaches as scapegoats. If anyone has to go it should be them. As for the team, it was apparent to me that the main difference betwen the French team and the AB's on that sad occaision was passion. The French had it, the AB's didn't, or if they did they certainly didn't show it. It seems that since becoming professional the AB's have lost sight of who they are playing for. Maybe we should take a tip from golf. Let them realise they are playing for their country not for money by making them 'make the cut' this being getting to the semis. If they fail earlier then don't pay them. Also, as a country we need to change our attitude and we should start with the infernal media. The AB's are put on pedastals by the media and their pawns. It is inevtable that some of the team members will start to believfe it. They appeared to think they had already won the cup before they took the field in Cardiff and that was clearly the fault of the NZ public/media. It is a human failing and quite natural that if people elevate a human to the status of a god, they will believe they are infallible and cleqarly the AB's are not. Keep the coaches and change the attitude. |
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By: gull@xtra.co.nz
15/10/2007
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yes henry should stay stay in france,the guy is a bloody ding bat and so are his two littlw puppy dogs smith and hansen they had it won accoding to them
get rid of the lot theya should never have played the players who were going away after the world cup reward the loyal ones i say |
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By: jdyhrberg70
14/10/2007
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| Dont worry Putio... it only happens for a month or two once every 4 years as you have been rightly pointing out.... rely on the natural order of things (n keep Henry involved for sure).....otherwise AB around 80% success rate.... it might be a big fish in a small ocean but at least it is our ocean, mostly..n despite the mealy mouth jealousy that goes on at this time of the four year cycle we REIGN.....I am concerned that the media here being fashionable, reactionary, like everywhere, might divert us from our success just to win a world cup or two... they will come, be patient n remember the natural order of things always prevails...... |
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By: putionz
14/10/2007
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| Ceripes if ew ddin't get it frm the frog now the bloody limeys are gettign all 'ancy. The World cup is defintiely a unique npropostion for any team. Surely based on what we've all seen there is some quarter that should be given to retaining Henry on the basis it wasnever as siomple as all the crics put it. How many of those big ouths are going to look sheepish now. Predicting this that an dthe other only to find the result was different. Henry Must Stay. Imperative for success in 2011 |
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By: putionz
14/10/2007
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| Now just so I'm clear does this result really tekll us anything about form going into a tournament? yes. That if peopel believe that things should go as they think it should then every top renked team shoiuld constantrly be world cahmpion. Where's England ranked at the moment? well they're in the final....good for them and good job to those French supporters who thought it was cool makng fun of Ab supporters trying to come to grips with the loss. What goes around comes around eh? |
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By: putionz
13/10/2007
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| what's crazy is that in hindsight I am certain planning could have also involved expenditure. I really don't think there is a hell of a lot of expense really other than what should be going into the players and coaches full stop. I think the brand should mean there is little monetary weight upon the union and most of the sponsorship dollars should cover tha ABs. If it isn't I think someone is underselling the number 1 team in this sport. I think there is a culture that has protected a few self serving people who have had their snouts in the troth for far too long with really very little contribution in terms of what they are or have to offer this game going forward. I am talking aobut the suits. They need to strip the organisation back to barebones and get people in there who work for their money. The truth is some of the best heads for this type of thing may not necessarily be sport or rugby people.Broken record time: Keep Henry. Not too fussed about the other two as I know Henry can still do well on his own however I really think Hansen should stick around probably for rescuing what was for New Zealand a traditionally strong forward pack. Nice one Steve. |
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By: jdyhrberg70
13/10/2007
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| I'm all for retaining the coaching staff ... having a considered progression path and making sure mistakes made are identified and accounted for. If this is not done then all that happens is an endless four year cycle, repeating many of the same errors.... crazy, expensive and bloody frustrating.... |
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By: putionz
13/10/2007
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| A slap in the face for Ice I thought given he had a great super 14 and was pretty solid. I do not feel there is a gulf between Smith and Toeava but I do feel that as the fitter player Smith had no business being at the RWC and the team would have benefitted hugely from the potentcy of Nonu. With his tendency to back himself it was probably more liley that he would have died with the ball in that last game instead fo throwing the hail mary. I think more than a rotation they should analyse the strengths of the individual players and look to work on what they perceive to be their weak areas. Put together a combination of the teams that best compliment each other and rather than interchange indviduals they could separate the teams as potent well drilled combinations where the pivots are more or less the more rounded players in the squad and act as effective conduits through which these parts of the team become solid. We more than any country know that in a team sport "team" is everything otherwise you have 15 guys who will try and take on international opposition and win which has never happened and likely ever will. I think if anyone was to go perhaps Smith should given a) he was distarcted form his job by letting people know that he wanted to be the coach of the All Blacks this before the RWC had even finished and he seems to have failed to put soltuions (again) where his backline play games in direct response to what the oppostion is putting in front of them. That said I guess we can never tell if the players were trying to bring the clockdown and then slot something hoping to defend a lead which flys in the face of what Henry wanted from this team. |
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By: nicolte
12/10/2007
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| lol, yeah strange decision that, if he was not going to play them, why have them there. I guess he just didn't think either one had really proved themselves so went with the "safe' option. Smith maybe not fully recovered from injury, Toeava maybe did not shine as he thought the would, and he did want to play MacDonald. |
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By: lilo.john
12/10/2007
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| He forgot to remind Henry that they had two centers in the squad! |
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By: nicolte
12/10/2007
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| y does smith have 2 go? |
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By: lilo.john
12/10/2007
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| Henry must stay, Smith must go! |
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By: jdyhrberg70
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| Andy, try to aportion blame in such a generalised way will do far more damage than good.... I think it is a positive that what appears (to me) to be most Kiwis are looking to break the cycle you propose.... 42 wins in 48 tests contradicts your views and the few previous doubters to your post.... I am all for Henry being involved in a progression based on the efforts over the past 4 years... I am not saying everything done there was right but I am sure a lot was... chucking out the baby with the bath water is just going to put us back to repeating our mistakes every four years....that has been amply proved over the past 20 years....ignoring our game's vulnerability to subjective referring is hiding from reality... lets learn and grow not try and start again..... |
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By: michaelj72
12/10/2007
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| true, its amazing how you c things different when you already know the outcome!! |
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By: nicolte
12/10/2007
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| have u watched the game again since? I will one day just to make sure my judgement was not clouded by emotion. |
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By: jdyhrberg70
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| Hope so Michael, the knee jerk hasnt helped in the past.... think people are a bit harsh on McCaw...you cant criticise him for having faith in the refing..... sports talk today am sure ran items that french tv analysed last AB possession in the game.... they retained possession 24 times and acknowledged AB could have been given a penalty in every play....tell me if I am wrong but if I heard right Ritchie would have been looking and backing a penalty sooner or later.............. |
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By: michaelj72
12/10/2007
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| maybe we have learnt from our past kneejerk reactions |
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By: putionz
12/10/2007
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| tonight people have been emailing some of the stations trying to get them to voice the groundswell wanting to stop Henry frokm going and wanting him to have another crack. Isn't tha interesting? |
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By: putionz
12/10/2007
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| presume whatever fits in with your shortsighted theories buddy. I do not think Coach henry is a God but he has out in four years that has seen the mentality of this team improve garndered some belief which by the same token has probably been what is fuelling your vitriol by virtue of the All Blacks performance up to this world cup. The only major thing bubbling under it all and I will probaly get fried for this is that when Tana left that team not necessarily as a player but more as captain. There was a considerable hole and I cna;t help thinking that ma'a never being givena look in or piri has helped my own personal thoughts on things that may have affected this team most a real captain. By the way hardening up and don't be do gooder sounds like a really winining formula for improvement. |
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By: nigel.mcleod
12/10/2007
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| you must love Mr Henry or think hes some type of god.You already talking about 2011.Thats 4 years away and with this train of thought the same result is going to happen again.Bugger the world cup it starts from going into every test match to WIN not to build or blood players they will get there if they good enough over time.We need to stop been a bunch of do goooders and harden up. |
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By: putionz
12/10/2007
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| OKay Nigel you've put your point I suggest we call tha AllBlacks into the boradroom and let them know we're demoting them. Keep talking to the nalogies come out of your ears but the reality is we have a histry of cleaning out coaches when a campagin fails. If you've bothered to read eveyones input (even the stirrers) you would probably get over this tired piece of rheotoric and really pay attention to what's beeing said. If he had lost every game until the world cup and New Zeland only had a world cup win in four years would that make you happy? No. I didn't think so. So now all of the experts who weren't experts until we got a result which is so easy and often miserable wnats us to throw out the coach and shke evrything up again. A firm foundation has been establishewd we did not receive the result for teh world cup (not just the world cup) Let's take that on board and put somethiung stronger on for 2011. For the business model thing rarely are you dumped when one thing goes wrong. In this case one thing went wrong. One! Let it stand take root and have something solid that will serve the supporting public 2011 and beyond. |
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By: nigel.mcleod
12/10/2007
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| The discussion is whether henery should stay or go!We have listened to him and the coach before him waffle on,on how they are going to win the cup.Every thing has been aimed at this and it DID NOT HAPPEN SIMPLE AS THAT HE GOESGOOD BYE MR HENERY!! |
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