By: michaelj72
12/10/2007
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nigel, u dont seem to be able to get past the fact, that winning the world cup is NOT the same as being the best team in the world otherwise Brazil would always win the Football world cup, the AB's would always win the rugby world cup (with the excption of 2003 coz England were better) and China would always win tabletennis (oh wait, bad example, they do dont they, please disregard this portion of my argument)
If the BEST team always won it, then they wouldn't bother staging it and instead we could just keep the silverware in our tropy cabinet.
You are the one who needs to get over yourself, while the world cup IS important it is not the be all, end all of Rugby....or maybe it is for you nigel....do you only watch rugby every 4 years? |
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By: nigel.mcleod
12/10/2007
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How can you keep him!or them?They are paid big money to do there job and it wasnt done end of story!Performance review will show that major KPI was winning world cup,out come,Loss which means did not achive simple as that folks.
If the wre judged on that like in a big company they would be down the road.
All you passionate rugby people that are supporting this failed attempt to win the world cup need to think again.WE ARE NOT THE BEST TEAM IN THE WORLD WE CANT EVEN MAKE THE FINAL.Get over yourselves. |
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By: putionz
12/10/2007
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| amen! |
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By: fisiipeau@xtra.co.nz
12/10/2007
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Keep him to complete his mission of winning back the cup. Don't let poor ref decisions walk all over us NZ. I predicted b4 the cup started to be AB and France finale. Let be smart, if France win the cup then obviously AB was the only team was supposed to knock France out in the quarter final, if Mr Barne and Mr Kaplan didn't rob us. It was a tight game indeed despite 80% of their decisions went against ABS.
So why discard Henry? I rather see swapping back coach Smith by our incumbent Robbie Dean cos back hasn't be settle to date. Retain Henry, his achievements is incomparable to any other NZ's rugby coaches. Lets make no mistake here NZRU, other rugby nations prefer to see our own Henry goes. Also wish to c BUCK or FITSPATRICK on the Management role. These guys will bring the MANA.
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By: putionz
12/10/2007
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| A givne you really can't get past the age old tactics. I do think the flat backline has it's place but what is really required is memorising what is required for a particular tactic, that everyone knows what's happening and wen to execute it. At the moment the AllBlacks are like Shane Cameron dishing it out here there and every where but you' know getting messed up in the process but not quite proving it in the professional era and not a proven world champ. Hopefully the team will know what Shane does and that's listen to the corner. The game for us was very flat lacking direction and I have to say Kelleher and Mcdonald they always seem to do the same shit when it comes to the big one eh. Oh well...life goes on. |
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By: putionz
12/10/2007
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| The it sounds like Richie had the reigns and did not nail it! So why the hell should Henry go? |
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By: putionz
12/10/2007
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IO'm presuming you livedthe rest of your life in Godzone? Well if you aren't in your teens I would have huge doubts about you questioning the passion kiwis have for rugby. If you are not a league man then I am unsure how you can pose this question knowing full well that it is our national game and entrenched into the identity of the country eg. Rugby ,Racing and beer. Given the average kiwi probably does not identify wholly with this description of by gone days Rugby is still abig part of who we are.
The short answer is mnetal toughness, and although you'll get boofheads wanting mongrel etc in the game I personally feel if you are any good and the offcials are up to it then a true compettion should result. There is no doubt the talent is there just not the right game plan. Heaven help other teams now these young ones have this experience in them because it's a good chance that they will still be there in 2011. Retention is the key and not reaction. By the way aussie are one of the greatest sporting nations in the world. Sport is ahuge part of their identity and their presence on the world stage. In rugby The All Blacks have respect for them in League they are head and shoulders above th world. So i totally refute your remark about Aussies not understanding our obsession. You nay not have been talking to wallabie supporters. |
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By: bb.spaul
11/10/2007
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| Henry has to go and McCaw shouldn't be captain. The rotation doesn't work. All it needed to win the game with 10 minutes to go was a drop goal. Richie should have changed tack and got the 3 points by drop goal to win the game then do the pick and go (which is all they know how to do). Pathetic. |
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By: axlams
11/10/2007
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I think G. Henry is still the man for the job....he's worked wonders with the team....no other coach has done what G. Henry has done with the All Blacks... everyone just needs to remember that you can't win them all....but bottom line....we are still number one....9 times out of 10 we would of beaten the french.....Well we just need to move on...and continue dominating the world.....in rugby....
G. Henry and the coaching staff must stay....why do teams keep changing the coach when we dont win the world cup....everytime we change we lose the cup....
well good work G.Henry |
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By: robertsontafili
11/10/2007
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| Henry should stay who can blame the old fala,whos with me, anyone going to reply,anyone,and shame on the ozys lose to England,they should replace the ozys coach because they sucked on that day. |
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By: robertsontafili
11/10/2007
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| Henry should stay who can blame the old fala,whos with me, anyone going to reply,anyone,and shame on the ozys lose to England,they should replace the ozys coach because they sucked on that day.Bye |
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By: corubachris
11/10/2007
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| craig bellamy of the storm. lost a grand final, kept his job and now they won it easy peasy |
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By: waarvanden
11/10/2007
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| wayne bennet? |
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By: corubachris
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| true- look at sir alex ferguson. been there (at man utd)since the big bang almost. |
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By: addvocate@xtra.co.nz
11/10/2007
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In soccer, the most successful teams have continuity in their coaching teams - win or lose in Theier league championships they stay with the same coach year after year - a good coach does not suddenly just become a bad coach overnight.
Henry's record is one of the best in modern day rugby - HE MUST STAY!! |
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By: vggilbert
11/10/2007
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| I absolutely agree, Henry should be kept on. The ABs have a good coach of whom should be kept for continuity!! We is the KIWI spirit of appreciation for at least winning the Bledisloe and the Tri-Nations. OK, so we're all in mourning for the World Cup - so am I however, for the miserable people, pick yourselves up. Life is too short, praise; not crucify our Team for their efforts. We are still the best Rugby nation in the world. We know it, so let's do the Kiwi thing and stand tall, be proud and show the world we are united harmoniously even after a loss. Show our Mana in all respects. |
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By: majoth
11/10/2007
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| in my opinion henry, hansen and smith have done good jobs. they should have the choice whether they want to stay on or not. henry did say he was quitting after the world cup no matter what though so may not want the job. his call. what happened was not the coaches fault nor the teams. just bloody bad luck. let's move on and wait till next time. don't get me wrong i'm as gutted as the next person but it's history and we can't change it. just support our team. |
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By: warwick.dobbie
11/10/2007
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| Henry is probably a good coach but I got the feeling that it was Hansen and the scrum coach who got the forwards to a high standard and it was Smith who (once again) allowed the backs to become pretty average; remember the flat backline theory when Smith was the head coach of the AB's. Heaven help us if they give the job to Smith ever again! |
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By: emmet_hawe
11/10/2007
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| I think Graham Henry is the best All Black Coach we have ever had!! Okay so he didn't bring home the Cup and apart from Griz who has? In the past 20 years I don't think I have ever seen as much unity amongst the A.B's as I've witnessed since Henry stepped up. I think it is a testament to his character and NZ need to get off his nuts because that game was a combination of errors not just from our end which we all know. I think Paddy needs to check his postal code before he comes home! lol. |
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By: michaelj72
11/10/2007
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| i agree j.carr55, he hasn't resigned yet so who knows, maybe sanity will prevail |
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By: j.carr55
11/10/2007
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| If we let Henry go I bet he will be coaching else where veryquickly and we will have another Russell Coutts saga on our hands wondering what if we kept him?? |
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By: putionz
10/10/2007
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| what the hell is that almighty stink? oh it's just the negative medi running it's mouth. Hidsight is wonderful thing. Plenty of time to jump the fence and be a truly fairweather fan. Easier sadi than done. What was Graham to Say: we're not that confident about winnning the cup! No-one starts out on a campaign with the intetnion of failing. Wake up and smell th milo Moffet> you're past your use-by date buddy! |
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By: putionz
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| There is no doubtin that where those teams were concerned trhey certianly improved to the extent that their rugby was able to build on a solid foundation of things that were probably put in place by Coach Henry. I don't subscribe to the pie in the sky stuff but obvioulsy see that there is some forward thinking coming from Henry that I have no doubt that when we have a nother fantatsic year of winning and retaining titles before 2011 be sure that much of the vision will have been absobed by his charges that not only will tehy do 2011 but I'm backing the first team to do a 3peat. Keep Coach Henry. It is a solid investment tempered by coalface experience now. |
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By: waarvanden
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| yep keep henry..look what he did for wales and the lions,when push comes to shove he dosent deliver, i hope you guys keep him |
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By: nero.panapa
10/10/2007
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I agree, Henry's had a great four years and has a good record but when it came to the crunch, the preparation didn't work.
The best way to prepare for a top class game of rugby is to play your top team consistently. Everyone called the 'Geriatrics' has-beens but noone ever bested them.
In the last 10 minutes we went away from our winning rugby i.e. spreading the ball and breaking up the opposition, and instead, tried to punch up with the 'pick and go'. Sorry guys, the cup 'up and went'.
That's said, I'm past the Sunday morning blues. We have four years to get it right.
I agree with David Moffit and Laurie Mains - pick a coach for two years, review him and if good enough, give him another four more years. Or bring someone else in for those four years.
My pick for next coach, probably Robbie Deans.
As an outside chance, what about Matt Te Pou. Look what he did to NZ Maori.
Nuff said... |
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