By: corubachris
10/10/2007
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| should keep the poor bugger. |
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By: juicyksis
10/10/2007
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| I aggree! He is a great coach(so are all the others) and i think we should keep them on. (if they want to that is) |
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By: supasub69
10/10/2007
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| I think if Henry resigns as has been suggested that he is going to, than the other 2 will have to go by sheer asscociation I think those 2 wont be considered.Deans will get the job which is ok by me. I would have liked Henry to have another go but Deans will do fine. |
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By: kizmiazz2001
10/10/2007
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| nope he's got to go.. he was paid to do a job and he failed... |
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By: gg_rhythm
10/10/2007
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Ref is to blame as is Paddy O'Brian, touches were told they were not able to interfere on issues of forward passes, offside and crocked line out throws.
Paddy is now trying to cover his ass. |
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By: dottiab@xtra.co.nz
10/10/2007
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I agree sacking good coaches is foolish.
I have not seen any other teams play as well as the All Blacks can. Paddy.[Perhaps it is time to look for some competent women referees] |
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By: nicolte
10/10/2007
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WOW.that simple eh, gee why didn't Richie think of that!
and just for the record, ozzie "were" in that position against England, apparently their captain did not think of that either. England 12 Aus 10 |
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By: xtr212431@xtra.co.nz
10/10/2007
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Dont see how you can blame the ref for our team not taking a drop goal, in the last few minutes of the game, when they were in front of the post.
If the Aussies were in the same position, would they have tried a drop kick? Of course they would !
We made a mistake with the pick and go plan when under the posts - should have set up a drop kick.
Its that simple...the captain failed to make that call. |
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By: fxyldy735
10/10/2007
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Henry should stay, he has done wonders for the team and I fully support him being there for the 2011 world cup
....the ref was to blame for our loss.... |
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By: kt_6005
9/10/2007
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| Agree w Rob and also think that they need, if they dont have a 'be prepared for whatever other teams throws at u' strategy. If the could have got as fired up as da French who knows .. also the ref was arse. |
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By: dealwis@xtra.co.nz
9/10/2007
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| Henry must stay on. There is no -one better available. Also, pls stop listening and calling Murray Deaker, he is a disgrace to NZ. I have just been in Wales, and read his article calling the AB's Boofheads, and NZ a Dumb Rugby Nation!! I wonder what the likes of Meads, Lochore, Kirkpatrick etc etc think of that. Guess he is annoyed that the loss will affect the sales of his book. |
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By: peter_murf
9/10/2007
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| I think Henry should stay he has accomplished some amazing things with the all blacks... australia would not been a dominant force if they had changed their coach every lose that only happens in league....hahaha...Keep him in the job but lose the reconditoning process... |
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By: putionz
9/10/2007
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Okay so the team are going to be arriving early touching down in Christchurch. Poor guys. The vitriol of nz extremists certainly seemed to have had an effect.
It's very refreshing to see that redneck commentary isn't limited to old farts past their use by dates or former players frantically trying to get their two cents worth in longing for the spotlight again. They all say they have to go get rid of them disgusting, disgraceful. If there's anything disgusting or disgraceful. It's the way these people in these high profile jobs treating our teams like a bunch of dogs...That's disgusting. |
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By: dodds5973
9/10/2007
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| i have to agree i looked at dan carters face & thought the poor kid was petrified what huge pressure to put him under at such an early age.Ive always felt that yanks & aussies are sports fanatics but allblack supporters are exactly the same probly worse becos were a smaller nation . I just think its an ugly side to sport that i dont particularly like |
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By: swordy@xtra.co.nz
9/10/2007
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Henry's got to go, Why?
- Rotation policy is poor, does'nt support growth of combinations, undermines player confidence as well. Should only have your top starters and reserves, outside of that squad of 21 is everyone else.
- Introduction of Brendan leonard, 1 year of top rugby, used to be you earnt that black jersey.
- Conditioning programme, good idea...poor execution...should have played super 14 and took 4 weeks off before heading over....thats all they needed. Playing time will always beat gym time.
- Poor selection..I.E Piri , Troy , Mose Tuialii
- Poor Strategy , based around strong set-pieces, UK based, and we still lost. The french made 180 odd tackles, tired out the forward pack and then attacked off turnover ball (with no defensive line organised in front of them) and scored twice. Attacking into an organised defensive line the french got smashed and went nowhere. Try to attack all the time was silly, we where up 13-0, we shoulda kicked for position and waited for the french to make a move which they would've had to sooner or later, and smashed them, turned the ball over and scored, simple stuff really.
- We had the best players in the world, we had it all, but we failed in terms of strategy, which is the coaches fault, he needs to go, 4 years is a lot of time to get the mix right.
- We need a coach who will seek parity in set-piece play, but not base everything around it. NZ rugby's strength is in giving the ball width with strong decisive running. We need a coach who can break these defensive minded teams and bring back entertaining kiwi rugby. Winning a world cup is important but not at the expense of our countries rugby identity.
- I believe we are just around the corner from unlocking these defenses and when we do, we will be dominate for many years and world cups to come. |
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By: dodds5973
9/10/2007
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| yeah i have a problem with the fact that we have been [for the last 4 yrs] & r still [rightly so] ranked no 1 in the world even after the defeat by france and yet the majority of the country insists that we were useless.To me the world cup is overrated alot of it comes down to what happens on the day and as weve all seen it didnt happen for us.Simple as that no need to go into mourning.I want to believe that all those players who got on that field that day gave 100 percent all their heart and im sure they are more devastated than we all are.So lets support them and move on.....next also is it my imagination or did our kickers miss a few more goals than usual |
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By: aurevoircantona
9/10/2007
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Agreed...changing coaches is short sighted. Look at their record during their tenure...what is it?...85% win rate or something?...leave them in place, but don't make the focus the World Cup. Go year by year, Tri Nations, Tests, building all the time and when the World Cup comes around again, we'll be ready, but the key is that it shouldn't be our sole focus.
I'm a big manchester United fan, and i think back to when people were howling for his blood, sack him, he's useless, won nothing...now he's the most siccessful coach in the history of the game! |
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By: hbharleynz
9/10/2007
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| How many times have we changed coach now after a world cup loss? And has it changed our results in achieving the world cup? No it hasn't. Changing coaches isn't the answer as history has proved time and time again. It's time to get some consistency back into our game. |
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By: putionz
9/10/2007
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We have failed on a level like never before you say. It would not have made a lick of difference buddy if they failed in a semi or the final itself because nothing less than securing the cup was acceptable to anyone in New Zealand fueled by what is fed to the public via the media.
Honestly when any team scores or takes down an All Black it is a huge thing. People cheer as if they've won the game. The AB supporters have grown to expect huge wins over their opposition regardless. Sadly a win, that is: a WIN by a margin of 7 points doesn't seem good enough anymore.
Donning the Black Jersey is a huge honour but it comes with a weight of expectation that for a player must feel like the weight of the world. Not something easily ignored but probably something that would work for an individual with the right mind-set.
The issue is we dump coaches when they don't nail the RWC but honestly would you have wnated someone who didn't beleive they were going to do it to take the reigns? Of course not. So what is Henry supposed to say. I am positive but because I work with two other guys who provide counsel one of whom who has already been involved with a failed campaign I have some small concerns. That won't happen. No one sets out with the intetnion of failing. Now they have failed so do we flip the script and give Henry another crack or ring major upheavals within a struture that has been nurtured over four years.
Personally I'd rather have a cupboard full of trophys and let this team regroup and have one last crack in 2011. That experience is just too precious to throw away if we're serious about change. |
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By: sallydoll35
9/10/2007
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I want him to stay
He removed the aura of arrogance around the allbalcks and made them approachable again. Last time we lost I was emabarrased with the attitude of the management and some of the players. At least we had no more "journeys" this times just high hopes. |
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By: putionz
9/10/2007
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| Would someone please stick a sock in Moffats digusting cake hole? |
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By: matildakaea
9/10/2007
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So Graham Henry should stay.
Look at it, Hello he has done so much for the team and the team has worked so hard. So what if the all Blacks never got into the 1/4 finals they poured their hearts out and gave it there all now it's time foreveryone to look forward to the nex World Cup we are still No 1 and good on you Addias for stickin with a great Team.Loosen Up guys give them a break we need to support them not put them down.
I say "GO HARD GO THE ALL BLACK" keep your chin up there will always be another tyme |
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By: auzziesurferboi
9/10/2007
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| World Cup aside, remember the ABs have won the last 42 out of 48 matches. No other team in the world comes remotely close. We are the No.1 team in the world, cup or no cup! |
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By: putionz
9/10/2007
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| What's scarey is that a new coach will come in and take advantage of what has been started by this lot and then take credit for it. You probably need two bites of the cherry. Assessed at the first with a revisit of whatever conditions were put by the appointee and adjusted accordingly eg. budgets. If you nail the cup on the first go great if not then takeaway what has been taken on board by being in this cauldron called the RWC and work that into a plan for the next. I think we may have been guilty of addressing games that were weeks away form happening. Perhaps ohne game at a time may have been better and playing the best and taking only the fit. |
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By: putionz
9/10/2007
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| Sweet. I think everyone was scrtacthing their heads over a number of things. I will never know why the likes of Ma'a or Piri(in particular piri) were excluded but only those on the inside will know what was behind that call. The fact that you point out Tagata whenua suggests that in your opinion it was something about race further to which and I repeat you referred to as tokenism. Now are you tellng me that this is not implying some sort of race based bias? I agree with some of your points but I can't buy into that given your point was initiated on these grounds. This did not require reading between any lines I'm afraid. What disappoints me is that I spent all mornign listening to rednecks looking ofr reasons then ionevitably the old race thing reared its head. To me Sonethign has got ot give and nothing will be resolved in this country uless someone leads the way by relenting. Common sense must prevail. |
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