By: t.w.stephens@xtra.co.nz
9/10/2007
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| I'm back from a good nights sleep and yet there still seems to be alot more frustration growing on this topic. Plain and simple " Keep the coaches " but set boundaries now on what they can and cannot do for the next one eg: no rotation, best form deserving of the jersey gets it. Play the best team not new combinations from quaterfinals onwards. One night out isnt a big enough crime to be left behind on disciplinary actions. No favourites just put the best team out for heavens sake and dont be so over confident New Zealand fans because we are also partly to blame for this loss. Dont forget these 30 hero's are only human and they make mistakes too. And finally IRB get your shit together and if we have to use our best players then you should have to use your best refs to reward all players who have made the effort to get this far in this tournament. Use the video ref more it will help to cut human errors down considerably just take a leaf out of league and tennis and cricket and.......you get the picture. If the technology is there then use it. Back to the main issue if this coaching staff is willing then let them stay cause another roll of heads will take us back to square one from the last one where we had to start from scratch. "LET THEM STAY" should be the next cry from the NZ public. |
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By: unsteeledpower2000
9/10/2007
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| WAKE UP ....................GET RID OF THE LOT |
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By: gredtalo43
9/10/2007
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| Yes I agree! He must stay, changing coaches?? What the heck would that achieve?? We now host the next World Cup (2011)are we going to go through all this hype again?? |
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By: gvtstkwi07
9/10/2007
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| Robbie Deans is a great provincial coach but im still in favour for Ted to stay 100% |
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By: fentons@xtra.co.nz
9/10/2007
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| Like all contract renewals Henry should be considered for the new position along with all other candidates. His evaluation of the past 4 years is priceless in determining the strategy going forward. Rotation may be the answer but not the way we executed it - don't throw the baby out with the bathwater if all we need is a refinement to the strategy. |
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By: john.ohia
9/10/2007
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Provided they would like to carry on, I believe Henry, Hansen and Smith should carry on until World Cup 2011 however cut completely the rotation system in the year of the World Cup. Like 'teopeter' said the systems that they started are already there and they can only but improve. 'Henry and co' should call on the likes of Buck Shelford, John Kirwan, Tana Umanga, Zinzan Brooke, Michael Jones, Grant Fox and other successful players who have been there and successful coaches like Robbie Deans, Pat Lam, Rod Cooper and others to put together a strategic plan that will win the cup in 2011. I believe that Graham Henry needs to keep leading it as he has done a good job over the time he has been ABs coach. Sunday mornings game was totally different from any I've seen with the referee dictating who would go through to the semifinals. I am totally dismayed that Barnes was given the job which clearly showed his incompetence or cunning. It wasn't the 'players' or 'Henry and co' that lost us the game it was the referee and what was an English ref doing refereeing this game? Neutrality, fairness, non-discrimination, besides a comprehensive knowledge of the rules are the characteristics of a good referee. It would be totally unprofessional of the Rugby World Cup organisers to have a referee like Barnes who would deliberately steer the game to advantage England in this week's semifinal. The NZRFU need to go in and find out.
I think that 'Henry and co' should carry on. However with over half the team Polynesian and Maori, Maori coaches and players need to be in the mix. Look at who were left behind Nonu, Weepu, Flavell, Rico Gear all Polynesian. Is this pure coincidence or is it a difficulty with understanding Polynesian and Maori ways of doing things? Nonu at centre so Muliaina could play fullback, Weepu playing when Kelleher came off, Troy Flavell going on for Collins when injured would have won us the game. Polynesian and Maori input at NZRFU board level is paramount too. |
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By: nakigeebs
9/10/2007
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Henry must go, as must the Rugby board who endorsed the degrading of the Black jersey. Lack of combinations cost us any real chance, which reflects the rotation policy was a complete failure.
Dont get soft or PC, these guys are flops who ruined the best team. |
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By: niteswordsman
8/10/2007
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| Henrys record as a coach more than speaks for itself. Honestly who are we going to find that is going to find that has produced excellent results like he has. He has had a coaching reign that most other countrys would crawl over hot coals to have him produce for them. why would let perhaps the best coach in rugby by a long way go? Great work Henry |
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By: hoyee_shin1999
8/10/2007
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| all I have to said................STAY and look forward for 2011 on our home soild |
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By: seantpari
8/10/2007
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I have been living in OZ for 7 years. Aussies cant understand our obsession with rugby so I had to break it down for them. WE ARE TO BLAME for the world cup loss. Yes WE the fans, We, who point the finger at coaches, management and players. WE who sit on the couch and choose the best teams and always execute the right tactics from the safety of the couch, the message board, the smoko room on Monday morning are to blame. Why? because we are obsessive/compulsives about OUR national team and place unrealistic expectations on them. The last time we won a world cup there was little expectation placed on the team. The ABs had lost the bledisloe for the first time in 37 years and the '87 team was largely inexperienced. As a result players like Michael Jones, Fitzy, Kirwan took the world by storm, surprised everyone and won the tournament. Since then the All Blacks have either been favourites(91,99,03) or raging hot favourites (95,07) to win with the added burden of the nations expectations on their shoulders. Imagine your name is Richie McCaw and you were 6 years old when you last saw an AB captain hold up the Webb Ellis trophy. And now 20 years later you are the best player in the world, playing in a match that will define you as a player. Imagine playing under the enormous pressure every all black was playing under. The All Blacks HAD TO WIN the cup anything less was unacceptable to the NZ public. And when things started to go pear-shaped all that pressure and history of previous failure rises to the surface and coherent thought and rational decision making
gets lost, and all of a sudden mistakes creep in, holes open up and world cups are lost.
The facts are, without the pressure of a world cup at stake the NZ A ALL BLACK side would wipe the floor with any of the teams at this tournament bar South Africa. I hope we can all embrace this great side and their excellent coach. I hope we can ease their pain and celebrate them for the great All Blacks they are !!
GO BLACK!! ... |
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By: hbharleynz
8/10/2007
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| Let's also not forget how many factors came into play during the loss - the French playing better than we had seen them in a long time, the 2 major bumbles by the officials, the AB's not fully utilizing the backs, missed kicks, McAlister's missed drop goal thinking the ref was still playing advantage...no team can have all the cards in their favour all the time and this was a game where everything that could have gone wrong happened. I noticed the AB's showing sheer panic on their faces (and tactics) well before the game was over, something that would inspire confidence in any opposition - and we want to put the blame on one man? No wonder he said he wouldn't have done anything differently - how could anyone predict so much going so wrong? |
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By: filosifa
8/10/2007
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I think every coach needs 8 years to try and win the world cup. First 4 years to try and win William, last 4 years to iron out what went wrong and work out the solutions if we fail in the first 4 years.
So yes. I totaly agree with Graeme Henry staying for another 4 years. Only the G man know's what the problems were, and only he can fix any problems with his system. I am a supporter of his system and I don't it was his system that failed the All Blacks. We all know what failed but if we mention it, we get burned for it. We get called babies and sore losers and so on.
The failure of the All Blacks was not due Graeme Henry's system. Ok, we've lost our chance again. But it seems like the only solution we have for failing to bring the cup home is to fire the coach. We've done that for four world cups and still that solution has not solved the problem.
So how about keeping Henry for another four years. He know's the players and the players are backing him 100%. Who else is there? Who else has the experience? |
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By: serablue@xtra.co.nz
8/10/2007
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| graham henry and his assistants have to stay.they are intelligent men who will learn from this.The NZRU are wrong in this instance and have overreacted.we need consistency in selection of our national coaches not just a four yearly cycle.can anyone name an immediate succesor outside of the 3 incumbants.robbie deans is at the forefront but then who?we smashed the lions,won bledisloe,tri nations,a grand slam.should we forget about the games in between the world cup and only send out the allblacks every 4 yaers.42from 48 is great by any standards.the allblacks are the team the rest of the rugby world rates themselves against,even after our loss overseas reporters still refer to the allblacks as the #1 team.any changes now would be a backward step.henry and co should stay.this shoulnt be an issue.we have new player depth as a result of his thinking and all those leaving have ready replacements.email the NZRU at info@nzrugby.co.nz. and let them know your veiws. |
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By: rarunasalam@xtra.co.nz
8/10/2007
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To all those who say end with Henry - let me ask what qualifications you have...
it's easy to say you dont like his ideas...in what way are you qualified to criticise the current AB coaches?
If you want to express your dissapointment with the team in whole, by all means...but losing one game shouldnt allow for expulsion... |
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By: rtaitua
8/10/2007
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| No you misunderstood, my explanation which was only two tangata whenua got into the team as a jester of tokenism while the others who were injury free were left behind.It seems that your whakaaro is main stream.So whats racist and dumb about that,unless you are reading to much between the lines?Wake me up!!!!!!!! |
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By: mosullivan1985
8/10/2007
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| i agree, henry is a talented coach, he has bulit a squad with depth and talent to boot, with the adition of new players next season and the development of the current players they will be prime for WRC 11`. england stuck it outwith woodward in 1999 and they won the cup in 03.. nz has a plentiful stock of players and we wont be short of them. but if we keep sacking the Ab`s coach when we lose and keep rebuliding we wont learn from our past mistakes, ALthough robbie deans knows the feeling of losing in 03` and has a proven track record as a ace coach!! it seems a sure thing the NZRFU wont show any back bone and will not stick to the status quo. Bring Back Buck as manager to instill real passion in the team. we have all the talent and skill but not the passion and drive to pull it out when it matters!! |
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By: cummingtodinner
8/10/2007
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| I totally agree Henry and co must stay if only to undo what happened. Henry and his team still have alot to offer the sport and the all blacks of which only time can tell. In his interview today Henry calmly noted that the all blacks have won 42 of the last 48 games played just apitty that one of the 6 was yesterday. |
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By: d.mcisaac@xtra.co.nz
8/10/2007
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| Yes Henry should stay, agree with you wholeheartedly Rob. |
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By: wouldjablowme2000
8/10/2007
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| Henry brought a lot of innovation to NZ rugby. Obviously what had been done in the past didnt work as we've failed to get the cup on other occasions. He did the right thing by trying something new (i.e. the reconditioning), you cant say we had a winning formula in the past. NZRU and most of NZ are over reacting. We are taking this loss so hard because of henry's good work, we were heavy favorites going into the WC and henry had an awesome record. We have to be honest with ourselves, what exactly could have Henry done that would have won the game for us? |
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By: putionz
8/10/2007
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| Of course you're going to be on the backfoot if the support player is standing offside on receipt of a pass. I'm not buying into the ref thing. But what I'm saying is that if the offciaitng were up to scratch that would be five points France would not have been awarded and the outcome would be different but the reality is we're out of the game and the results written into the Rugby anals forever. What I find stupid is that what happened is a result of a number of things that went wrong on the day some we could have controlled and some we couldn't. The ref we couldn't do anything about so cut that loose but we had opportunites to nail a drop goal camped down in the French 22 a number of times but it never happened. No-one will really know except the fifteen guys on the field at the time. |
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By: sweetchilea
8/10/2007
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| We want consistency don't we? We want to constantly play well, even at world cup time... Changing coaches every 4 years does not follow consistency. Look at the depth Ted has built up, if it wasn't for him then the players heading overseas would be a national crisis... but I believe we have the depth - why? cos of henry. Imagine what he could achieve with another 4yrs at the helm... soon NZ will be looking superhuman!! |
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By: javalynx71
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| Thats true about Woodward. But then the same can be said about all the other coaches of previous World Cups and who ended up winning it also. No, none of the coaches in the final 4 are better than Henry. Since their winning percentage rates aren't as high. |
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By: jirwin@xtra.co.nz
8/10/2007
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All his policies and methods were based for winning the world cup as he kept on reminding us.he failed so he can walk like the others before him.
BRING IN ROBBIE DEANS.EVEN IF HE IS A CANTAB HE KNOWS HOW TO COACH A WINNING TEAM IN COMPS |
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By: fetiil
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I am in favour of keeping Graham Henry as the coach. however i feel the horse as bolted as Graham has been giving hints on telly he may go anyway. also hobbs has indicated they will have a 'new' coach in by xmas. why does the nzru have to have such a knee jerk reaction to losing. the coach is always the scapegoat. have they already forgotten graham's record over the last 3 and a bit years? it's no wonder other countries laugh at our first response to a major loss - sack the coach. we have too much of a preoccupation with the world cup. yes it's important, but i have been a great fan of graham's strategies, fast paced entertaining rugby. obviously we didn't have a plan b or c or d yesterday with what the french did yesterday. i recall carter say we have got game plans for different situations. maybe they used the wrong one, and hey they culd only react the best way they could.
i also wanted to say i have been a great fan of richie over the years. but yesterday morning is the first time i have seen another side of richie. he dissolved into the background when we really needed him the most. we saw richie's leadership qualities against sth africa this year, gathering the troops behind the try line, talking to them, and decide the best plan - and it worked. yesterday, i never saw richie question the ref (pathetic as he was, out of his depth and inexperienced) richie just needed to create doubt in the mind of the ref. your doing a poor job - your calls are off...french are offside...hands in the ruck, etc are not being picked up. i guess he did try and rev. the troops up.
leadership in pressure situations is important right across the park. i feel richie is still the person to lead, but he'll do a lot of soul searching over the next few weeks. hold your head up richie, as well as the rest of the team. it didn't happen as we wanted it too, but the sun will come up in the morning, it always does and when it does we'll go back to work. |
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By: andertonkarl
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| How many tests in the past and granted maybe not in the world cup could the result be blamed on the ref? I am sure that there are many countries that could blame the ref on any given day for the result of a rugby match and that is just the way it goes. To hold the ref to ransom for the All Blacks poor showing on Sunday morning is ludicrous? I didn't see one attempt except for when the All Blacks where 50m out to try to win the game with a drop kick. It was just the same old same old, players placed under pressure and all they want to do is individual crap. Yet the ref is at fault for that? And although we bag the poms at least they now how to win even if it is boring.... |
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