By: xtr212431@xtra.co.nz
8/10/2007
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I think Henry should stay so the experience is NOT lost.
I agree with rotation so we will have back-up players to cover injuries and to see how they react under pressure.
Perhaps next time they might take a drop-kick when they are two minutes from full time and in front of the posts....seemed to me it was better to take the lead than pick-and-go to get a try. |
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By: renouf_13
8/10/2007
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| Thats stupid sorry bro. Michalak came on and instantly split our line, forward pass or not i think we were on the back foot. We lost all momentom when the 3 subs came on at once. It was a good idea but it was like starting from scratch. |
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By: lizleonhamlin@xtra.co.nz
8/10/2007
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AS MUCH AS I AM REALLY GUTTED BY OUR BOYS IN BLACK LOSING THE GAME i BELEIVE ALL OF THE 3 COACHES SHOULD STAY.
LADY JANE |
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By: putionz
8/10/2007
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| I don't think Mitchell nailed a grand slam on a tour of the home nations restored the self belief in a team that was slipping in the world rankings and frankly had a lot of baggage which their supporters seem quite happy to keep carrying for them. For the boofheads who say don't blame the ref I will gladly do so if they concede that if you subtract the 7 points or even say 5 points that resulted then you do the math that points to an AB win. Sorry but there you have it. |
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By: jwdavidson@xtra.co.nz
8/10/2007
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| Hard. England kept clive Woodward on for a fair few years and they ended up winning he thing in 2003. And are any of the coaches in the final 4 better than Graham henry? |
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By: javalynx71
8/10/2007
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| yeh thats true andertonkarl. Sometimes I guess when you make promises at the time things won't always come out true to how everyone would want. Its just SAD for us all, but life goes on |
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By: andertonkarl
8/10/2007
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| My apologise JAVALYNX71 I stand corrected. But the truth of the matter is that Graham Henry promised so much and delivered so little when it comes to the world cup. Blaming the ref or the IRB for the draw is weak excuses. |
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By: javalynx71
8/10/2007
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| andertonkarl.....sorry but John Mitchell's record is 82% compared to Henrys 88% record. By the way Mitchell only coached the AB's for 28 matches, whereas Henry coached in more tests. Nothing against him or Fred Allen, but then back in those days when Freddie was coaching Rugby wasn't PROFESSIONAL. |
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By: renouf_13
8/10/2007
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You have a really good point, Henry was the best coach for the job. One thing a classmate said that made heaps of sense is that he made 30 amazing individual players that were strides above anyone else, they just missed that group factor which was a shame. They seemed more like a team last when Tana was about the place. Dont get me wrong Ritchie was the best man for his job but they just lacked that binding. It would be a shame to loose Grahame Henry and the rest of the coaching team.
I think now is the time to take a deep breath, swallow your pride and think life goes on. I hope France make it to the final as England are terrible to watch, and Sth Africa or Argentina will hopefully fly the flag for the Southern Hemisphere. Hey atleast Fiji cheered us up this morning by playing an amazing game. |
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By: andertonkarl
8/10/2007
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| John Mitchell and Fred Allen both have better records than Graham Henry JAVALYNX71. |
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By: javalynx71
8/10/2007
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| Well, to be honest even if the World Cup is the BIG PRIZE of all trophies. Just be thankful that throughout the pass years Henry and the AB's hav more than enough in the trophy cabinet to make most of us KIWIS proud of them. Thats all that matters |
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By: jdyhrberg70
8/10/2007
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| If you want the team to feel appreciated and the coaches to be given a chance of keeping their hats in the circle then write directly to the NZRU. Drop an email to info@nzrugby.co.nz expressing your support and telling them that the media do not talk for us, the supporters and we dont want people getting sacked just because it is expected by them to sell a bit more copy.... get your friends to do the same.... |
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By: leonardgifford@xtra.co.nz
8/10/2007
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| You are very quick to judge he can't play the game for them they needed to step up and in most sports the officals have a lot to do with who may win or lose if you saw the game the ref and the linesman did not do there job's as professionals or use the 3rd offical there for them, maybe someone should be having ago at who put a young inexperiance ref in a most important position, and not once did Graham Henry say they lost because of a poor effort by the officals, you shoild listen to the news and hear for yourself. |
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By: man_dats_gunny
8/10/2007
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apart from the dislike of having 22 of your best withdrawn from the s14,
imho, the three wise men did an awesome job,
how do you strategize against a bad ref...?
who's gonna figure that one out? |
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By: bossk36@xtra.co.nz
8/10/2007
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Ok
why is it then we can kick ass all year which by the way means nothing cause to be honset who gives a fat rats ass if you drop a couple of games but when it comes to the biggest tornament for rugby we choke.
Maybe it is because there r 2 many crusaders in the team?and lets face it being a good super 14 side dont mean you r going to be good when playing international rugby now doe's it.
there is a wealth of talent in NZ rugby at the moment and i belive they need to search harder instead of letting them all go overseas.
anyway bugger it like people r saying its over now lets move on and start preping for 2011. |
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By: javalynx71
8/10/2007
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HENRY DEFINITELY MUST STAY!!
Since 2004 when he took over the job, his record shows that out of 48 matches the AB's only lost 6. Now that to me is an impressive record if ever I see one. No other coach has done any better than that in the world. |
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By: dangeross22
8/10/2007
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| I agree hes gotta hw many coaches can boast the win lost record he has? |
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By: putionz
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| It is refreshing to see that there has been little associated with provinces etc. I think generally its good to see genuine discussion and ideas bineg exchanged not that it matters to the decisionmakers but is a big deal with people who really give a s*@t about the All Blacks. |
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By: grahange@xtra.co.nz
8/10/2007
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| Giving coaches the chop in the past clearly hasn't worked. We need to plan ahead effectively. Henry is a fantastic ambassador for New Zealand rugby. |
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By: bell_connell
8/10/2007
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At the end of the day it came down to one match, and in a match it is the players who make the split decisions. And they made some poor decisions- I just want to comment on what everyone is saying about how we got drawn into playing ping pong and how the french dictated terms. Yes for the first 30mins there was alot of kicking AND AFTER THE FIRST THIRTY MINUTES WE WERE WINNING COMFORTABBLY! test match rugby with the sort of pressure of a knockout is usually won with good fowards, goal kicking , good defence and a good kicking game. When GH first came in as coach, he said it was time to get back to basics, and for the first two years we did this.
However I think we need to give GH a chance, everything that could have gone wrong for a coach did in that game. THe ref changed the momentum completely with pathetic calls and inexperience, and the two people we needed most 20m out with 3mins to go, 2 points behind were gone. Dan Carter and nick evans. Thats just bad luck.
Keep as many people as possible so we dont make the same mistakes again |
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By: sargespook
8/10/2007
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| I would like to say i think Henry should remain 42 out of 48 pretty impressive! But as all ready mentioned he said he wouldn't change any thing - so on that note I think we need a change but I would like to see Smith or Hansen to continue therefore keeping the legacy and platform moving forward. We were robbed of victory which must be gut wrenching for the AB's going by the public mourning we are all going through. plenty of factors resulted in this result. The officials (nightmare all three of them), Sevivatu was picked over Howlett for his barging runs - when did we get the ball to him on the end of a flowing backline movement? (this was what won us 42 of the last 48 tests), team selection (rotational policy - of which I agree with but feel we should of played our top team from the first game to give them match fitness and form playing patterns / formations especially in a tournament arena only making changes for injuries! (so with all that a new coach at this time is probably due?) And of course France played well bouyed by fanatical home support (which can not be understated how much this will lift a team). so with that in mind I look forward to the 2011 Cup in godzone here - lets show our support for who every is doning the black shirt. Unluckey boys did us proud but in the immortal words of King Henry - thats sport !! |
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By: natedog288
8/10/2007
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Big ted should stay but he wont he was going to retire from the ABs job anyway.
Big question now is who will be his replacement????
I hope Smith or Hansen stays on as they both top quality coaches maybe Warren Gatland or Robbie Deans?????? |
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By: putionz
8/10/2007
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| Point taken. People seem to forget this: We have won this cup already and have succeeded in everything else that was put in front of this team to achieve. Deans has had a go himself and failed so where is the logic in bringing him back in again. All of the "past Greats" including that team that won in '87 should give it a rest. The game in this era is a totally diffrent propostion. If only people would not be so easily pulled into this groundswell of emotion and looking to cut our noses off to spite our face which I feel has been the downfall of the NZRU in reaction to the baying of the know-it-alls needing a scapegoat when things do not go our way. I'm sure Henry wouldn't stoop to keep his job given the outcomes but there's very little out there to indicate that what happened on the field was perhaps the players failure to execute or address the questions that France asked (not to mention the officiating). I would rather we maintain our winning ways and fall short in a knockout competition as the alternative would have all of these haters spoilt for choice in terms of what they would consider a disgrace. By crikey there are some ugly AB fans around I count Murray Deaker among them and find Jerry Collins comments sad. I thought he was a bigger man than that. |
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By: huia.harrison
8/10/2007
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| I absolutely disagree and detest the fact that because we lost we should hang Henry out to graze. He will be snapped up by other countries and I for one am proud of the committement he put into our boys. Don't blame the coaches, blame the day. I know that I always intend to go to work and achieve 110% each day, but the reality is that there are always outside factors that reduce that 110% to 85%. Blame the day, the outside factors that create a differing mind set for the A.B's and us mortals. G.H and team and those before him have always done a wonderful job, the only problem is that they are not the men on the field on the day. I think that Jock Hobbs and the other old cronies have a cheek making a decision that we''' the lovers of this sport have no input into let alone are consulted about. If someone(s) should go, let it be Jock Hobbs and those idiots that sit along side of him and that decision. Im proud of our boys, and Im equally proud of their support team. Just shows that we are human and not robots as robots would win always. Give G.H & Co the respect that we did not show to Mitchell for enjoyment of the game. N.Z is "" NOT INVINCABLE" |
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By: andertonkarl
8/10/2007
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| People here are blinded by the media show that is Graham Henry, his results should speak for themselves. He took on a Job of coaching the All Blacks and always said during his tenure that he was Building toward the world cup. He said Rotation and resting players in the super 14 was building toward the world cup. We put up with every thing that he wanted in order to bring home the world cup and yet he has failed. He told us that this was the best prepared All Black side, that it was a team that had leaders all over the park, that the team was a team of 30 players. Yet I wonder what happened to the leaders on Sunday morning? What happened to all that preperation? What happened to the 30 players that could be relied on? what happened to different game plans? What great desicions or players has Henry brought though in the last 4 years or where they already there after the last coaching regime of John Mitchell and Robbie Deans? We all know they had the courage to take a player Like Richie McCaw out of the unknown and into the all Black Jersey. What really has Henry done to improve rugby in New Zealand? Has he just yet again inherited what was already a great All Black side? Henry is a media farse and has just been able to take the New Zealand Rugby public along for a ride. Isn't it about time that the Rugby public opened it eyes and seen Henry for what he has truely delivered? absolutely no world cup..... |
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