By: pagej94
8/10/2007
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Hi all, I agree with Rob but my feeling on this is that the all blacks started the game quite badly the missed and bad passing calls, also the ref missing the forward pass is what i feel loss the game, and sending Luke off was stupid aswell their was a hole lot of errors in that game but to point the finger at one person is wrong it was a team effort and they did us proud no matter what, just cause we arent coming back with the cup they are still winner in my eyes .
I feel the everybody put to much pressure on them at the end of the day it come downs to how they play the game and the refrees and the opposing team . |
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By: ninnetje
8/10/2007
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| Stevepunter, I noticed that too - if HE took responsibility Henry would not be going. The fact Henry's being kicked to the curb means he's being blamed, which means mr IRB is about as far from taking responsibility as you and I are from ever touching that damn cup!!! |
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By: ninnetje
8/10/2007
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| I totally agree, Henry HAS to stay. Not fielding a number 1 team was a big mistake, granted, but his experience combined with the valuable lesson of that mistake and home ground advantage puts us in a much better position for 2011 than if we have yet another new coach who does not know his players. We have to look at how far the team have come under Henry's direction, and stop throwing away coaches who have created a strong, unbeaten AB team because something went wrong at World Cup time. |
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By: fhenix16
8/10/2007
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Why is it when something goes wrong in our nations game we are quick to point the finger at the team and the couching staff? We should be proud of our team this year as they have played exceptionaly well and that the IRB should take a good hard look at themselfs for even thinking of getting rid of Mr Henry it wasn't anyones fault that we lost it was that byest refs fault for letting the forward pass be missed and taking Luke off for nothing and all the other stupid antics that happened he should be the one accountable not our team.
My only words to our team is keep your head held high and continue playing like you have. KIA KAHA |
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By: stevepunter
8/10/2007
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| I notice that Hobbs (Chairman NZRFU) STates loudly that Henry will be 'gone by Xmas', yet at the same time says 'I take responsibility'. So will he go too? Or would that be a tad inconvenient? |
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By: jggrant@xtra.co.nz
8/10/2007
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| Yes Henry should stay. He's done an exellent job. How can 4 years of practise and selection and hard work be totally thrown away because of one 80 minute game, especially when there was clear favouritism toward the French. |
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By: christinebutler@xtra.co.nz
8/10/2007
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| Henry must stay, more education of referees is needeed and the use of the video ref, used more. We only lost because of referring mistakes, the boys played as well as they could. |
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By: swoolsey18
8/10/2007
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| I don't think Henry should go. The referee on the other hand (grr...) But Henry's a good coach. To get rid of him is likely putting full blame for our loss on him which isn't accurate, reasonable or fair. I agree, it's better to keep an experienced coach. Will any new coach have guided our team to victory in a World Cup? No. So there's no point changing the coach. Keep Henry. |
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By: tana_murray
8/10/2007
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| You have got to be kidding. Henry said himself that losing coaches are sacked. How many games did Mitchell lose? I am sick of our pc country. Someone must be accountable and its Henry |
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By: tonybetti@xtra.co.nz
8/10/2007
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| Are you crazy henry and all the coaching staff have to go forget the rest this was what they were aiming at for 4 years doing all this rotational in and out of the team it failed badly start a fresh for 2011 |
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By: nlshbakshi
8/10/2007
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| Man all i can say if we keep getting rid of our coaches after the world cup, were not going to learn from the mistakes. But i dont think henry wants to say another 4years. |
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By: zimroo
8/10/2007
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Henry should stay...Maybe we need to get rid of the guys at the NZRU.
I'm proud of you Henry and don't change what you did. And for you who don't agree then you apply for the job. Ministers who run this country get more "2nd chances" then this |
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By: crw.elw@xtra.co.nz
8/10/2007
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| Henry has done a great job generally with the All Blacks and they are definitely playing better than they were under Mitchell.We are always too reactionary when we loose. I feel that the Blacks were underdone going into the Cup and should not have been pulled out of the NPC prior to the Cup. They would have been match hard going into the easy games in the W/Cup and would have coped better with the French bullish determination to survive. The ref also needs to be questioned over his dubious ability to observe basic infringements by the French namely the glaring forward pass that resulted in a try. He looked stressed both mentally and physically. At this level the IRB should not be giving inexperienced refs a go no matter how much "potential" they have. I believe that Henry has made a decision to go regardless of the NZRU stance and that Robbie Deans would be a great relacement for Henry if he goes as he tends to promote a grass roots, flowing, forward type of play. The Blacks need to get back to an instinctiveness in their play that they appear to have lost through being locked into too many set play moves and over kicking at times. Give us back the desire and determination of the Colin Meads and Kirkpatrick era. They were playing for the love and the mana of the game and not for the monetary gains. |
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By: the4seagars@xtra.co.nz
8/10/2007
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| I agree Henry must stay |
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By: noozilander
8/10/2007
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| Henry must go! We need a coach who can offer 100% perfection all the time! Just look at the NZRU, they never screw anything up. Hell, they did a perfect job in securing the world cup for Australia last time around! |
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By: benjibenni
8/10/2007
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Agree with this as a coach I know there responsibility for selection and strategy In my view I couldnt see what the atrategy was Assuming it weas t oget to the wingers we won that much ball and never delivered it in quaility to them.This was due to a flat line attack and indivuduals trying to win the game instead of a team approach
The coach is resposible for building a team we were beaten by a better team |
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By: sp8z_mate
8/10/2007
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I agree with pequinpatch and add that these boys looked 'attractively' muscle-bound, and played like Liberal Pussies waiting on the command to swing the ball left or right from royally (Old French roial) paid chiefs . Then again we are all Pacific Islanders led by Liberal Pussies, we are paid less than the rest of the world taxed heavily waiting passively for our next interest rate rise and have no one standing up saying we can fix the messes we are in. ( As the French colloquially say it was "Deja Vue". And as the Spanish would so eloquently put it "Hasta la vista Henry/Hansen/Smith/ Clark/Cullen/ Fitzsimons/Key/ and the Haka" ).
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Anyone that thought that by having and utilising a flat backline, when we have the most potent attacking force in world rugby, thereby nullifying it, deserves to be shown the exit stage right door. it didn't work for Wayne Smith in 2001 and it didn't work for Graham Henry in 2007. As the French colloquially say it was "Deja Vue". And as the Spanish would so eloquently put it "Hasta la vista Henry/Hansen/Smith") |
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By: jackscoobyroxie
8/10/2007
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| I agree, he has been one of the best coaches in a long time, why blame the coach look at the match yesterday, when Rothecoco got the ball why hesitate before trying to run, that is not the coaches fault but the player, and there are a few players that should be scrapped. Look at the captain, is often offsides, get him to get his and his teams act together, and stop blaming the coach. |
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By: getmymackon
8/10/2007
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| I am in full agreement with you, why does Henry have to bear the brunt for the ABs not making it through the quarter finals? It seems Hobbs and the rest of the hierarchy should be questioning themselves as mentors for the game. Henry should be allowed to vindicate himself at the next RWC. |
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By: corubachris
8/10/2007
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| robbie deans should NOT be all blacks coach. he would not pick the best team. remember when he was assistant coach? at one point more than 3/4 of the team was canterbury. |
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By: gwen.terry
8/10/2007
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| I agree Graham Henry must stay!! But that is the problem when John Mitchell didn't win the world cup they kicked him to the curb now they're doing the same to Graham Henry. I say we should just petition it sending out emails to all and get people to sign to say WE WANT GRAHAM HENRY TO STAY! |
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By: ptstulai
8/10/2007
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| Its disappointing, depressing that we lost again. But I'm sick of hearing excuse after excuses. Plain and simple The All Blacks Lost through their own fault. They played as a team but they werent good enough. Everyone wants to put the blame on someone and of course its Henry. Why cant people just admit that The All Blacks just didnt play well, well enough to make it into the finals. Its aways what if this and what if that?? But we should support our boys, our NZ Team, Our All Blacks and stop putting the blame on the coach. Because if we had won it would be a totally different story. |
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By: todzi_2
8/10/2007
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| Before Henry goes the team players should take a good hard look at themselves they let him down.he's a coach not they had the game.(Evans had the ball, he went down,instead of placing the ball to create control for his team he tried a wild pass. Where was the THINKING. |
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By: gdlr@xtra.co.nz
8/10/2007
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| Rubbish.... not only Henry must go but the men he has with him as well Smith has been involved in how many world cups and still he has hidden behind the skirts of the head coaches and servived,Lets get back to good old fashioned All Black rugby cut the rotation crap put up the very best team we have on the day and get back to wining.We need to get rid of the TriNations and take more tours and receive more tours it was the midweek games where we brought young players into the expereiece of all black rugby and our elite team played test matches.Players should never have been stood down from super fourteen duties at the end of the day we would have had a team that could take the knocks and servive.Give Deans and Gatland a go get rid of the P.C crowd like Henry and Heart coaches arnt there to make friends they are there to make winners |
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By: acarr@xtra.co.nz
8/10/2007
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Players take responsibility. For what. The Tactics they played to were set by Management. And the Tactics were Crap.
Ref good. His Decisions were so crap it was Laughable. The ABs had to play the French and the REF. It was a bloody joke. I hope the Ref is Seriously fined for such a poor showing at that level of rugby.
The Players plyed well. There May or May not of been a Question Mark over Carter. But there was a big Question Mark over the Tactics when down to 14 men. And that is when the ABs lost the game. Thats when they should of used there kicker and played Position and attacked the line. They should of attempted to put the game to bed not retain the ball. Especially as they proved time and time again that it was not working.
That is back to tactics. Thats when management should have got word out to change tactics. No henry must go. |
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