By: nzjohn
4/12/2007
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phil and hume whats got you lot in a panic, is it some of the media stuff out today that's got you in a tizz.
Nevermind you can't believe everything you hear, like the huge backlash that's coming our way if they don't pick Deans. |
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By: putionz
4/12/2007
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| Well it sounds very promising but then again the media should be taken witha grain of salt at times. It appears that the board are basing their decision holistically which to me woudl Put Henry in a very strong position. I do not want to be an English supporter and suffer four years of rubbish so to me this is a big deal. I persaonlly think that if less emphasis is placed on the cup we're more than likely to win it. The grind shoul dremain as something like what the Abs do year to year and not even entertain the likelihood of adopting anythign thna what we do year in year out going into and through the RWC. I hope Henry comes through. |
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By: putionz
3/12/2007
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| chur that GVT. I was geninely shocked though. Sign of the times perhaps. Alot of upheaval and peoepl feeling like they're running out of time etc. Sad. No mana! |
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By: gvtstkwi07
3/12/2007
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| most of those greats were short lived allblacks some one or two test veterans who voice doesnt hold much steel behind it and more than 3 quarters of them that had not played or coached in this new professional era |
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By: putionz
2/12/2007
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| tobe that's been the biggie for me really through all of our exhcngaes for or against. I've been really surprised by the tone of some of these "former greats". Thye almose seem quite petty. So i guess what that does prove is that these "grets" are nothing exceptional after all. Just guys that represented and were good at rugby. |
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By: tobes95
2/12/2007
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these guys should just shut up, one minute they are saying that our focus needs to shift away from gearing everything towards the RWC, next minute they are calling for Graham to go because he didn't bring home the cup, these wankers don't know their face from their arse.What's it to be bitchy sheilas, the cup, or all those wins in between.
If anything it has highlighted what a bunch of wankers some of these so called rugby greats are. |
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By: putionz
2/12/2007
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Allen, one of the great All Blacks coaches, having fashioned a 14-0 undefeated record between 1966 and 1968, shies away from criticising coaches thesedays.
But the man they called "The Needle" couldn't help himself. The stakes he said, were too high.
"I think a change wouldn't be a bad thing," Allen said diplomatically. "Henry will be an old man by the time of the next World Cup... it's time for a change."
I absolutely agree. Let's change this dumping carry on if what we're really after is just the cup. If it's not about the cupo then let every Coach go after the world cup. Relaity is I think the problems is focussing too much on the cup and not on the job at hand. The right now right here.
It's offcial we don;t give rat's about anything else but teh World Cup and to ahve that is really the end all and be all accoring to teh "exclusive club". Arrogant bunch of ars3hol3s. There they go point ing their finger at the celbrity culture in the game today but they want as much of that limelight as well. Damn! |
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By: nzjohn
1/12/2007
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| phil i think he's referring to grizz and Bucks comments as opposed to Tana who has actually been coached by Mitchell/deans and Henry.ie Grizz and Bucks are just having a crack coz they want a change vs Tana a player coached under both. |
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By: phil_777h
1/12/2007
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Dach, I doubt it would be too had to get negative opinions from players about coaches that dropped them.
Maybe we should go and ask Piri Weepu, Rico Gear, and Troy Flavell what they think of Henry.
Marty Holah might not be a fan either.
I'm not too sure if Doug Howlett, Aaron Mauger, and Conrad Smith would be overly impressed at the moment either, but I can't say for sure on those 3 though. |
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By: putionz
1/12/2007
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| well whther i respcted that lot is irrelevant to Grizz and Alex but I guess if we broke it down it is probably more about deed as opposed to the person... |
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By: dachiropractor17
30/11/2007
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tana umaga played both under graham and deans...
he certainly has the right to say something about the coaches no doubt!!! remember deans and mitchell cut him from the starting lineup back in 2002 and replaced him for mark robinson - from canterbury!!! yeah exactly whose that guy again?? lol
good on him for coming out and saying what he said deans and mitchell...hes not the only one..just ask cullen and oliver!!! these guys were replaced by ben blair and cory flynn...guess where theyre from??? hehe
i respect buck and grizz - yes they are right the team failed to win the world cup. but these are modern times and yes other teams have caught up with the ab;s in this professional era... |
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By: putionz
30/11/2007
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Deans - who will be interviewed for the All Black coaching job on Thursday - was John Mitchell's assistant, effectively in charge of the backline, at the tournament across the Tasman.
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Well theres a little something from the media. Who's going to argue with a statement that came later in the same piece
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"Robbie is a very strong (character). He knows what he wants and he knows what sort of players he wants." - Laurie Mains
So we are expected to accept that whilst he was apparently in charge of the backline he wasn't really in charge of the backline becasue that would come from the head coach who was a forward in his playing career?
Ladies and Gentleman there is a reason Deans was taken on for the job and that was to take care and deliver the goods in terms of the rest of the team eg: ABs backline. wjhilst Mains says he should not be blamed because that team (2003 ABs RWC) wqas not his (Deans) he goes on to say that you cannot argue with the selections. Typical of everyone arguing for Deans not sure if they're coming or going.
Deans in charge of the backline and of course no input in who is going on the field on the day in that backline....whatever! |
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By: putionz
29/11/2007
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| whatever Phil. Grizz and Wylie are exactly the same as us in terms of opinion. Do you know for a fact that they were intimately involved in all of the planning and decision making around this current All Black side do you? well I'm guessing no. Thus my statement. Stop taking stuff out of context. |
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By: phil_777h
29/11/2007
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putionz, Grizz and Buck are not just like you and me in terms of being qualified to talk about the All Blacks far from it, you must rate yourself pretty highly about rugby if you think that.
You're trying to write them off and you don't even got a good reason for it.
I'm not writing Tana off I'd listen respectfully to what he has to say, bearing in mind as captain he was very close to Henry, but still regard his opinion.
You don't even have the respect to listen to other former All Blacks, or regard their opinion if it disagrees with yours, that's called being a hippocryte. |
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By: gvtstkwi07
29/11/2007
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| We are all passionate ALLBLACK fans,and most of us know how good a coach Henry and Deans are.We all have seen their coaching stlyes on the field,people like myself get very upset because that quarter final because it doesnt do Ted Henry any justice apart from other things effecting the result Henry is not all to blame,the rotation system worked but inexperienced played apart in the end on the field by the captan, he got caught up in the confrontation head to head with the french ,i still think they should of taken a few chances at a drop kick or run a bit more wide instead of into the french defense but the telling blow was that pathetic forward pass where they scored and when the French have their tales up against the AllBlacks there is no way in hell anyone is going to beat them. |
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By: nicolte
29/11/2007
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| denvin@xtra.co.nz you talk about "the bigger picture" and then you stray off into tunnel vision by saying Henry should go based on us bombing out in the Q/F. As for somehow trying to say that 42 of 48 is not that impressive because we looked 'Vulnerable' or 'Beatable' at times it just doesn't stack up, SA looked 'Vulnerable' or 'Beatable' against Fiji in their Q/F, and they are the RWC champions, I would say to you that of the games we did lose Rustenberg & Sydney in recent memory, there were only 2-3 points difference between the win or loss, that means Henry's record could have been even more impressive than it already is. Other points you have made I agree, but I dont see how the blame can be placed on Henry in it's entirety. You will have watched the game so I don't need to tell you how many other "outside factors" played there role in our demise as RWC. |
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By: putionz
29/11/2007
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Denvin you've successfully argued for and against well done.
You argument about worst result? a bow out in the quarters as opposed to the semis etc is nuts because unless you win the final you do not get a cup so in the wash we have failed for twenty years and every result you might allude to is crap because no-one runs around going we were third second whatever. People are arguing about winning which means Winning!
Bor do us a favour could you read through the thread and then post up.
Chur! |
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By: denvin@xtra.co.nz
29/11/2007
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| Who gives a crap what everyone says about Henry & Co,during their 42 wins,at times,the ab's looked 'Vulnerable' or 'Beatable' and in the bigger picture,these experiences of winning ugly tight games in their 4 year term,was still not enough experience to transfer to the RWC. Does anyone remember when Henry & Co said that they were to be judged on their World Cup Performance?Yes the real deal!not super 10 results,not super 12 results or NPC titles or shields and badges or grand slam wins and lions victories!,for goodness sake,think clearly!we bombed in the QF,the worst result ever!With Clearly 2 Test Calibre teams and with the best talent in NZ rugby to pick from at the time and with all the best possible resources and financial support at their disposal!. |
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By: putionz
29/11/2007
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| Phil please do not simplify like that. In the context of the discussion Tana is far more relevant than Buck/Grizz having played under Mitchell and Deans and as aprofessioanl player of recent times is better qualified to speak on thes matters. Buck/Grizz frankly are just people like you an I when it comes to commenting by comparison. You are on the right track and it seems because a former Captain of an Ab team has that relationship you are prepared to write him off as well. Well hao's this" has Deans or Mitchell had Tana up for libel? no...I wonder why? |
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By: phil_777h
29/11/2007
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putionz, I really like Tana and respect his opinion a lot, but he was very close to Henry with the coach/captain relationship, so it doesn’t surprise me he likes Henry over Deans.
Interesting that you think it’s ok for Tana to say what he likes but, if Buck and Grizz do you seem to think they are the biggest lowlifes on the planet, a bit of contradiction there maybe?
So if ex AB’s agree with you it’s ok to speak out, otherwise they have to shut up, that’s pretty fair isn’t it?
I don’t see Deans supporters getting all snaky with Tana because of it, like you do with Buck and Grizz. Maybe Deans supporters have a bit more respect for ex All Blacks than the Henry supporters on here. |
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By: putionz
29/11/2007
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| Rugger the one blaringly obvious thing to me and the one stat that youa nd Phil ignore is that in NEw Zeland we havne't done the job since 87. And in that time Coaching structures have been cleaned out after every failed campaign. Variables? to me this is the one single most thing that is probably the issue. I think Tanas comment don't prove in the affirmative for Deans but what it does tell me that contrary to what we've read Deans was vindeed instrumental in decison making. I think this is food for thought. Or I we likely to get another apisode of when Math teachers attack! ha ha |
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By: dachiropractor17
29/11/2007
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as head coaches...henry and deans have done alright..but during the time they both coached here at the same time here are some stats for the naked eye...
henry has been to 3 super 12 finals in3 years as coach..been to a super 10 final back in 1993...from 1992 to 1997 hes lead auckland npc team to the last four and has won it 4 times..not forgetting his al conquering kelston boys 1st xv rugby teams!!!
and deans? 1 npc title in 1997 and a semi in 1998..at the time when henry had already left
please dont display anymore stats regarding these 2 cos ive already dotted it down !1 lol haha
dont ever mention gatland, mitchell and co cos they won jack shit here in nz ....between the 2 of them they only won 1 npc title!!! hahahaha as for ian foster? 1 super 12 semi!! wooooooooooooooow hahaha
ok much love to yous all...
wow...thats something |
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By: putionz
29/11/2007
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| wow... |
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By: rugger.dawg
29/11/2007
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| Fair enough. |
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By: nicolte
29/11/2007
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| Nah, sorry, I can't go with that, potentially if you lose, and the other teams win, every game becomes knockout...we're splittin hairs again, but hey, %50 still looks better than %0 |
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