By: alastair_frost
13/10/2007
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Michael - I think S. Fitzpatrick wrote a piece last week and said pretty much that. Unfortunately - Teams do that - they set a plan in place to win the WC which starts as soon as their team has exited the present WC. Which means they want to win their internationals but intially that comes second towards building to where they need to be come WC. The Eng 2003 team built towards their triumph 6 years before - I think - they knew they had no chance in '99'. It might make a lot of the rugby a farce inbetween but that is way things have gone now the game is professional.
The AB's always have so much depth and so many world class players at any given time - they demand more in every international as do our public and past ABs - SA are probably the same as us. But other countries such as those in the N Hemisphere - need that sort of process. For other nations - the WC is the only thing that matters. |
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By: jdyhrberg70
13/10/2007
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| like I said.... your children or their children will be fervent AB supporters.... by immigrating you made yourself irrelevant - enjoy your moment |
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By: michaelj72
13/10/2007
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that is pretty much my point waarvanden, you do not post your own hate posts, you just "yeah yeah" and side with those that are anti. Also, u love to generalise when you do "yeah yeah", for example you said something like "the NZ supporters want to change the RWC format", "I" am a NZ supporter and I have absolutely no poroblem with the format, just because someone on this blog has said this does not necessarily mean they speak for the majority of supporters, you will automatically make generalisations, this is what I take issue with. I have stated on more than one occasion I think the format is fantastic.
It is not all bad, I have seen a few "good" posts and replys you have made, but this only seems to be if there is no one else stirring at the time that you can side with. |
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By: waarvanden
13/10/2007
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just finished watching it again mr berg.
ps...better second time round , he he |
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By: waarvanden
13/10/2007
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| alaster I would like to agree with your comments but some see me as a yes man so I wont say ,well done ,good call,yeah yeah,no...im sitting on the fence here. |
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By: jdyhrberg70
13/10/2007
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| I will leave that to you to do, and gloat on...... |
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By: alastair_frost
13/10/2007
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I am from NZ and I am not anti AB's. I think they are an awesome team. However in the year of the world cup - and if you ask to the coaches preparing their teams - it is about winning the cup. I am sure G. Henry and Ritchie will swap a No. 1 ranking for a WC winners medal. I am just trying to take the emotion out of the WC exit and look at it if we had won the game against the French. Do you think the WC doesn't matter? If so why did Henry and the NZRFU do everything in their power in the last couple of years to prepare the team for the WC?
Why do the posts seem to get personal - they should be rugby comments - shouldn't they? |
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By: waarvanden
13/10/2007
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| ha ha mr berg..your beneath my notice go watch the france nz replay |
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By: jdyhrberg70
13/10/2007
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| Waarvanden - you are welcome to make up rubbish about me, it is the truth that hurts..... |
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By: waarvanden
13/10/2007
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| ok micheal...remind me with one of my hate anti allblack comments..I SEEM TO RECALL you calling me a REAL HARD MAN and told me Itook it like a b1tch in prison (real classy) and you had not bothered to read up the page to see what I was on about..thats no very nice is it micheal..I just look at things not from an allblack point of view... I pride myself on sa and nz rugby knowledge so if you did want to talk rugby I would love to but im not going to put up with abuse...often things ar;nt as they seem,you andjdyberg call me a dutch sa....are you sure of this..are you even sure im white like you asume? |
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By: michaelj72
13/10/2007
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| I wonder if you do it subconsciously waarvanden, that it is just the way you are, but maybe you should see things from my angle, all of the so called credit you give to people with well thought out comments are all invariably anti All Black, and anti NZ. I challenge you to find a post where I have gone hot on the attack of someone who hasn't been critical, arrogant or just downright rude in regards to my team and country. I enjoy a good chat with someone who is knowledgable on rugby, but I do not tolerate insults and imbeciles. Some of these people you "yeah yeah" to are not angels my friend so do not try and make out you back them solely based on there "well thought out comments". |
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By: waarvanden
13/10/2007
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| to micheal..yes I have many ideas of my own its just that I will give credit to someone with good well thought out comments..these people dont get agresive like yourself and others,and no I dont put down allblack rugby ,I tell it like it is and if you dont like it well to bad,and for you jdyhrberg,,,you know nothing about me so dont speculate..and if you have problems with my race your a sad bigot, otherwise I will make up rubish about yourself |
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By: jdyhrberg70
13/10/2007
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By: jdyhrberg70
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| Julian - very interesting perspective you haveon past saffer v kiwi union history... you forgot to mention that prior to 1990's only white NZ'ers were accepted by SA to tour (about 1/3 of our population is polynesian) and since neutral refs have been appointed SA victories at home and away have been extremely rare....I would also remind you that at present we stand more than equal with you in RWC for what it is worth... myself I would trade the one in four year loss in the WC when it happens for the amount of times the AB's beat you at home..... |
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By: michaelj72
13/10/2007
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If you are right about this alastair, then International rugby now becomes a farce. Are you trying to tell me that you only have to play well in a knockout competition once every 4 years? are all the other 3 1/2 years of games in-between just practice?
IS it just ME who sees this as a huge issue?
waarvanden, do you have ANY original thought? All I ever see is you going "yeah yeah" anytime someone is saying something negative about NZ. If you dont like it here and South Africa is that much better then please by all means go home because given your attitude you are not a great migrant to this country. |
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By: putionz
13/10/2007
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| Get real. It 's probably all in the timing and planning. I have no doubt that whatever country won the cup were to come to New Zealand not even a week after their lifting the cup The All Blacks or even Aussie would shove the cup right back up their Ar5eS and blow that theory right out of the water. ha ha. Winning A tournament does not make you the best in the world. If it were something simlilar to boxing then you might actually be keeping it real. The real king is the one that sits on top. Ab's world ranking no.1. Good luck to whoever wins the tournament but it's not going make you the best. heh heh. |
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By: waarvanden
13/10/2007
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| very well put alastar,theres nothing like knock out compition,argentina in a semifinal..great..I mean look at hawkes bay...even though a different format,what they have done...world cups arnt predictable like I thought they would be looking back 15 years. |
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By: alastair_frost
13/10/2007
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I believe Aussie were rated the best in 1991 and won it along with every country bar some kiwis rating England the No. 1 team leading up to the 2003 world cup - Players, coaches and the 'important world rankings' suggested this - and the English won. I think again in 1999 - only maybe the Kiwis saw themselves superior to the Aussies. The Aussies just had less of a 'Hollywood status' than our AB's.
Maybe we should change the super 14 format and not have a semis and a final. Maybe we should strip the titles of the Crusaders when they didn't finish first in the round robin and they peaked at the perfect time. I can recall everyone praising this amazing knack that the Cantabrians have for starting slowly and then playing their rugby when it matters. Why is it we can't accept other nations doing it against us?
The rankings are just something to write about - winning tournaments are what it is all about.
The boys played well - just not well in enough - thats the beauty and the beast sport in sport!
I still can't wait for the remaining games - not as much flair, but passion, aggression and brutality at its best! |
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By: waarvanden
13/10/2007
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| totaly agree julian..ab supporters want format changed as well..lke a super eight comp,would this be so if they had won a couple more world cups? |
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By: julian_adam_ab
13/10/2007
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gvtkiwi07: I would argue up until 1956 that South Africa were better than the All Blacks. After all the All Blacks did not win a series home or away against South Africa in 1921, 1928, 1937, and 1949. South Africa also won the grand slam before the All Blacks in 1951. South Africa's winning %per match is awfully similar to New Zealand in these years.
New Zealand was ranked 1 in 1991 and lost in the Semi Final so your argument about the World Cup being an overrated tournament because the number 1 side has never defended it is somewhat flawed.
I agree that the All Blacks would more than likely win the World Cup if it was a series of matches against the leading nations of World Cup rugby, but it is not, like is the case in almost any other global sport, e.g. soccer. The All Blacks played poorly like they have in the last 4 World Cups and ultimately they are not the best because when it has really counted they have stuffed up for two decades. The way they behaved after the game to confirms what a bunch of sore losers they are. Heroes welcome, give me a break! Mark Ingles deserved a better reception than the All Blacks.
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By: putionz
13/10/2007
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| that sound sinteresting I wonder if the buggers making all the money would be sold. |
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By: bt_biotex
13/10/2007
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the wc winner is the best team in the world...
no matter how hard you try and deny it. |
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By: gvtstkwi07
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| Its the most overrated tournament on the planet,was the Aussie ranked no1 in the 95 cup,S.A in the 99cup,Aussie in the 2003 cup and England in the 2007 cup.NO WAY the Allblacks have always been ranked no.1 so how can you claim these sides to be the best in the world over a knockout tournament cause they dnt live up to their title after it.1987 AllBlacks won and stay no.1 till the 91 world cup.So you do the maths people.motor car racing has the right idea an accumilation of points over a period of races but in rugby make it every 3 yrs and the top two nations play of in a home and away game with the final at a nuetral ground |
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By: putionz
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| We all know that and we're digging really obviously due to it being so long since we last won it but you have in your summation really knocked old 4skinstadt on the head with a bit of comon sense. I concur yeti. |
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By: yeti_bee18
13/10/2007
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| Evidently some strange South African does. However I fully agree with what you are saying...I would still rate the AB's number one despite the fact *gasp shock horror* that they failed to make the semi's. The RWC is no indication of the world's best team, it is simply who plays the best on the day. End of story |
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